Sunday, September 5, 2010

August Weinert Jr. 1867 - 1932



August Weinert Jr and Louise Weinert
August Weinert Jr. was born in March of 1867, the same year NE became a state.  He was an evangelical preacher.  He married Amelia Ernst an orphan in 1894. For a time August preached in Sweet Home Oregon. 1898 they move to Seattle, Tacoma, WA where he was also in the ministry.  They had the following children: Walter William Weinert born 1895 in Sweet Home, Oregon, Elmer 1896 Oregon, Ernst 1898 in Washington.  Amelia dies of dropsy and consumption January 14, 1900 at age 27 in Seattle.  At that time he is still a minister.

Documents related to Amelia and August 
August in the Newspaper

In the 1900 census Minnie, August's widowed sister moves in with him to help with kids and she brings three of her own children: Fred 14, Edward 12 and Catherine 9.  In 1908, Christmas day, August surprises his sister Minnie by marrying Marie Fosberg on December 25, 1908 without any notice.  The family were completely taken by surprise.

I have had this theory that August Weinert Jr. had something to do with the marriage of Emil Hornschuch and Emma Scholl. You know both August and Emil were ministers and lived within 30 to 40 miles of each other. As you know Emma was Emil's second wife. His first wife died in 1905. My theory is based on the photo below. I dated the photo by guessing at Franklin's age. In 1900 Emma was a maid or care giver in Falls City. Then in 1906 she is in Oregon and in 1911 she is married with a child. I have looked everywhere for Emil and Emma's marriage record. I woke up this morning about 2am thinking about Emma's marriage date so I got to work. The thing that really helps my theory is that Emil and Emma and August and Marie were married on the same day. Is that cool or what!  M.Gardiner



August marries Marie Mathilda Fosberg (a Swedish born immigrant.) December 25, 1908.  Marie loses two children in infancy.  One in 1909 and the other in 1911.  They keep trying and Eleanor is born in 1913 in Sweet Home, OR.  Eleanor shows up in the 1920 census as a 7 year old girl and in the 1930 census as a boarder in San Francisco without an occupation listed and in the 1940 census with a husband and two children. 

It appears that August was a minister in Seattle from 1998 to 1901 then in Tigardville, Oregon from 1901 to 1905. I don't know if that was his last assignment.

The story goes that he was without a church for a time and the leadership asked him to move and he said it would not be good for his family (or Minnie's) and he left the ministry.

1894 Oregon City enterprise. (Oregon City, Or.) 1891-194?, March 23, 1894

Seattle United Evangelical Church :



1894 – August Ernst became the pastor. (not related to Amelia as far as we know.

1898August Weinert became the pastor after Presiding Elder August Ernst withdrew and joined the Christian Catholic Church, whose founder was John Alexander Dowie.  Many members went with him. The issue was divine healing.

1901 – The United Evangelical Church had a membership of 40, including children, when H. E. Hornschuch became the pastor. The congregation paid off a mortgage debt of $1,260 and installed a furnace for $180 and plumbing for $208.45. The membership grew slowly.

1901 Seattle City Directory, page 59:



1904 - 1905 A black and white studio photograph of Reverend August Weinert (left) and Reverend J.H. Sparr (right) of the Emanuel Evangelical Church in Tigardville. Rev. Weinert served as pastor from May 1901 to May 1905. Rev. Sparr served as pastor from May 1904 to May 1905. below

Reverend August Weinert (left) and Reverend J.H. Sparr (right)

Emanuel Evangelical Church in Tigardvill



From Dorothy:  "When Amelia died, his sister was also widowed. He had 3 sons and she had a daughter and one or 2 sons. they combined forces so Minnie could help raise the kids while August supported all of them. He was assigned to move to Burns Oregon with no consideration of his obligations to Minnie and all the children. He could not support them there so he quit the ministry."
In 1910 August was a salesman in a Portland furniture store called J Leah Furniture Company.  According to family he and a partner owned the business but the enterprise fails after his partner took off with the money.  

The MOUSING OREGONIAN, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 5, 1909. 
a BUSINESS DIRECTORY
Public notice:
NOTICE OF DISSOLUTION OF PARTNER
SHIP. Notice la hereby gnen that the partner
ship heretofore enisling ltween J. Leah
and August Weinert. partners, doing business 
under the firm name and style f the
J Leah Furniture Company, at 121 and
1"S Grand ave., Portland. Or., which part
nership has been dissolved by mutual, on
sent and ?ald August Welnert ie to continue 
said business under the same name IT
desired, and all bills receivable are to be
paid to hitn, and nil claims of all kinds
against ild partnership are to be paid oy
the said August Welnert.
Dat4 this 1st day of sente m bw. 1
A. t EINKt.


The 1910 census lists Franklin under Minnie not August and says he is a nephew.  Minnie and August are living in different homes because August married Marie in 1908.  I don’t think Franklin is August Weinert’s child at all.  That would clear up the controversy about his birth after Amelia’s death.  Who does he belong to? 

Also  in the 1910 census it is interesting that Minnie, a widow and head of household, with three children all in their early 20s, has taken in Laura Scholl and Franklin Winert while George chooses to live with his uncle August.   How is Minnie staying afloat?   Family members report that Minnie opened a boarding house. This is how she supported herself and children. They also said that the first time Minnie met Marie she felt it was the worst day of her life. It changed her life and put her in the workforce which was not friendly to women.
 

Frederick and Fanny are still in Nebraska in 1910 so George decides that Oregon has better opportunities over Falls City.

In 1920 August is a vegetable farmer in Brooks, Oregon.  By 1930 August is a night watchman for a lumber company in Lebanon, Linn County, Oregon.

On September 22, 1932 August Jr dies from paralysis at 65 and is buried in Lebanon, Oregon. (family information)  However according to his death certificate he dies of cerebral hemorrhage or stroke.  It may be that the stroke caused a paralysis. 

His death certificate notes he is a night watchman at Fir Lumber, in Labanon, Linn, OR.  where he had been working for three years.  

The death certificate incorrectly gives August's mother's birthplace as Germany; she was born in Holland. 

Summary:
Born  Mar 1867, (The date is anyone's guess)
He marries:
1.  Maries Amelia Ernst 22 Mar 1894, and has 3 children
2.  After her death his sister Minnie moves in to help
3.  Marries Marie Fosberg, a Swedish immigrant and has 1 child.  

Dorothy: "August Weinerts' second wife was Marie-actually, Matilda Marie Foster-Weinert. They had one daughter-Eleanor Marie Weinert-Cather 1912-2007. I am not at home or I could be sure if it was 2007. She had 3 children, the first Robert Ray Cather died at 3 days August Adelbert Cather 1933 to 1959 was killed while in the Navy when his blimp crashed and burned. He left 2 sons Karl Douglas and August Adelbert. 

I am Eleanor and Ray Cathers' daughter, Dorothy Jean Cather Wilks. 1936 to whenever. I have two children, Stephen Ray Wilks who has 2 chidren Misty Marie and Stephan Edward Wilks,.. Terrissa Marcelle Wilks VanMatre who has one daughter- Casin Lee VanMatre Powell.  She has one son Conner Jayden Powell. I can fill in more information than you would want on all of the above. As to the rest of the descendants before Marie, we have family reunions and I could put you in touch with our historian."

srwilks@molalla.net: My grandmother, Eleanor Marie Weinert was the only child from the second marriage, but I have the second wife as Matelda Marie Foserg (spelling not confirmed I remember it as Fosberg). My grandmother and my mother told me stories of her growing up with 3 older brothers. Eleanor married Ray Noland Cather, had first son, Robert Ray (died as baby), then second son,August Edlbert Cather, (died in Navy leaving 2 sons), Doug and Bert. then my mother Dorothy Jean (Wilks) still living. I have more details, if you want. Someone on the Weinert side has done a lot of research, maybe you? I attended a couple of the Weinert Family reunions from the August line. Some where I have hard copies of that line going a few generations back. 

Lebanon /ˈlɛbənən/ is a city in Linn County, Oregon, United States. Lebanon is located in northwest Oregon, southeast of Salem. The population was 15,518 at the 2010 census.)

Note on August's birth: 
Beth's booklet has 22 Mar 1867, Audrey has 25 Mar 1869, the church record has 25 Mar 1868 and his death certificate says March 25, 1866.  They all agree: he was born in March.

Note on Franklin's birth: Franklin is born on June 18, 1900 or 18 days after the 1900 census.  The only problem with this is that his mother died in January 14 of that year making it improbable that she gave birth six months after her own death.

1880 census:

1880 census extract:


1884 August photo:







1894 photo: Amelia and August were married March 22, 1894 in Clackamas, Oregon (FamilySearch)









1896 Elmer Albert Weinert born: 24 December 1896, Oregon, United States
1898 Ernst Weinert born: May 1898, Washington

1895: Walter W. Weinert born 12 Jan 1895 in Sweet Home, Linn, Oregon

1900 census:



1900 census extract:



Where did August preach?  In the 1900 census he is listed as a minister in Washington.   Family information says he was a preacher in Sweet Home, Oregon:






1900 January Amelia C Ernst Weinert dies, 30 Jan 1900, Seattle, King, Washington (FamilySearch)
1900 Franklin Ernst born: 18 June 1900, Washington, United States. (Family Search) This is not possible since his mother died six months before.  Either one date or the other is incorrect.

 1900 census:




1901:
Photobucket

 




Oregon marriage records:

Index of Oregon Marriages (Bride & Groom) For the Period 1906 through 1920
Index of Oregon Marriages (Bride & Groom) For the Period 1906 Through 1910




August marries Marie Mathilda Fosberg on December 25, Christmas Day, 1908. Marie immigrated to the United States in 1880 from Sweden with her parents.  She was naturalized in 1908.


 Marie info:
Name: Marie Mathilda Fosberg
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1875
Birth Place: Tolfta, Soken, Sweden
Father: Carl August Fosberg
Mother: Mathilda Bergstrom 

 

Source:  FHL Film Number:

  2230786


Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937, May 09, 1908



1908 Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937, February 26, 1908



1908 Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937, February 05, 1908



 1909

The Sunday Oregonian. (Portland, Ore.) 1881-current, May 02, 1909, SECTION FOUR




1909 Portland City Directory:




 1909






1910 census: (August is selling furniture)

 1910 census extract:


 1911 Portland City Directory: (occupation Colr? Collector? )



 
 1911




392 East Taylor, Portland Oregon



1911:  Lincoln County leader., October 06, 1911, Image 4 (not sure if this is the same August)




1911 Lincoln County leader., November 17, 1911, Image 1

 

 

1912 Portland City Directory:




 1918 photo:






1920 census:

 1920 census extract:


Silverton Road, Portland area:



1930 census:

 1930 census extract: 


Strawberry Park, Oregon:




Death date: 22 Sep 1932








Research Ancestry: 


Marriage date 25 Dec 1908,  to Marie M. Fosberg

Children:
  1. 1895-1949
    21 Feb 1949
    Vancouver, Clark, Washington
    K4NQ-3FJ
  2. 1896-1949
    K2YF-JM8
  3. 1898-Deceased
    MWBD-KLL

    Child with Marie Fosberg

    1.  Eleanor 1912


Research

Margie I information:  I have a German - English Dictionary (actually it's not a dictionary, but it has the translations of words from English to German and German to English). March in German is Marz with 2 dots over the "a".  May in German is Mai. So, I think this church baptism record has the German month which indicates he was born 25 March/Marz 1868. Well now we have 3 birth dates for August. Beth's booklet has 22 Mar 1867, Audrey has 25 Mar 1869 and the church record has 25 Mar 1868.  It wasn't like he was baptized within a year after he was born, he was baptized in 1881 so he was about 13 years old.  Did they forget when he was born?


Looking for info on descendents of August Weinert, who was born 25 Mar 1866 in Richardson Co., NE and died 22 Sep 1932 in Lebanon, Linn Co., OR, age 65 years. August WEINERT married (1) Amelia C. ERNST abt 1893 in NE. She was born 18 July 1872, Falls City, Richardson Co., NE and died 13 Jan 1900 in Seattle, King Co., WA. They had 3 sons, Walter (b. abt 1894), Elmer (b. abt 1896), and Frank (b. abt 1899). August WEINERT married (2) Marik ---? who was still alive in 1932, as she was the informant on August's death certificate. I would like to find out more about Marik as well. Did August have any children with his 2nd wife? He was a "Rev." when he lived in Seattle, but was listed as a "nightwatchman" on his death cert. What happened?

Wurde geboren als Jean-Betty Weinert 15.06.1962 in Karlsruhe, als Tochter von Renate Waltraud Weinert geb.1937 in Borna. Bitte um Nachricht.

Ich bin eine Tochter von ihr, hieß ursprünglich Jean Betty Weinert, geb. 15.06.1962, in Karlsruhe. wurde ebenfalls adoptiert. ich heiße heute Bettina Dorothee Koch,wohne in Schramberg in Deutschland. wäre über jede nachricht froh.

I am a descendant of Weinerts who arrived in South Australia in early 1840's. If you are related to these families - Treugott Johann, Johann August, Johann Dienegott, Johann G. contact me.

integritynw (View posts)
Posted: 8 Mar 2011 12:32PM
Classification: Query
My name is Scott Weinert. I am a grandson of Frank Weinert. Frank married Edith Palmer and they had 4 children and 16 grandchildren. Their oldest child, Harry, is my father. August did marry again and they had several children. Some of this family still live in the Portland, OR/St Helens OR area. My father and my aunt June Schoonover (Weinert) have more information on this.

It is my understanding that August's father was also named August and that he immigrated into Toronto, CA from Europe. 1 of the brothers stayed in Canada, while the other brothers immigrated to NE. It is also my understanding that 1 brother continued on to California and ending up in Australia. I have not been able to verify any of this brother's information... 
Posted: 5 Jul 2009 7:43AM
Classification: Query
In answer to your question. When Amelia died, his sister was also widowed. He had 3 sons and she had a daughter and one or 2 sons. they combined forces so Minnie could help raise the kids while August supported all of them. He was assigned to move to Burns Oregon with no consideration of his obligations to Minnie and all the children. He could not support them there so he quit the ministry.
Posted: 5 Jul 2009 7:33AM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Weinert
August Weinerts' second wife was Marie-actually, Matilda Marie Foster-Weinert. They had one daughter-Eleanor Marie Weinert-Cather 1912-2007. I am not at home or i could be sure if it was 2007. She had 3 children, the first robert Ray cather died at 3 days August Adelbert Cather 1933 to 1959 was killed while in the Navy when his blimp crashed and burned. He left 2 sons Karl Douglas and August Adelbert. I am Eleanor and Ray Cathers' daughter, Dorothy Jean Cather Wilks. 1936 to whenever. I have two children, Stephen Ray Wilks who has 2 chidren Misty Marie and Stephan Edward Wilks,.. Terrissa Marcelle Wilks VanMatre who has one daughter- Casin Lee VanMatre Powell. she has one son Conner Jayden Powell. I can fill in more information than you would want on all of the above. As to the rest of the decdenants before Marie, we have family reunions and I could put you in touch with our historian.
Posted: 13 Apr 2009 2:20PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Weinert
My grandmother, Eleanor Marie Weinert was the only child from the second marriage, but I have the second wife as Matelda Marie Foserg (spelling not confirmed I remember it as Fosberg). My grandmother and my mother told me stories of her growing up with 3 older brothers. Eleanor married Ray Noland Cather, had first son, Robert Ray (died as baby), then second son,August Edlbert Cather, (died in Navy leaving 2 sons), Doug and Bert. then my mother Dorothy Jean (Wilks) still living. I have more details, if you want. Someone on the Weinert side has done a lot of research, maybe you? I attended a couple of the Weinert Family reunions from the August line. Some where I have hardcopies of that line going a few generations back. mailto:srwilks@molalla.net
Posted: 8 Mar 2011 1:15PM
Classification: Query
Hi

My name is Anne Weinert and my great grandfather was Johann Weinert who was the brother of August Weinert. Johann and his wife settled in Ontario and had contact with August and their mother (who signed letters "Mother"). I would like to hear more about what your family knows. I also have cousin named Scott Weinert who is decended from another son of Johann. He has heard that the family is from Bavaria. If you are willing send me another message and we can exchange email addresses. Thx
Posted: 8 Mar 2011 12:40PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Weinert
My name is Scott Weinert. I am a great grandson of August Weinert. It is my understanding that his father, August, and 2 brothers came into Toronto by ship in approximately 1835 and that they came from Poland. It is also my understanding that they were a part of the German resettlement of parts of Poland and Czechoslovakia during the Napoleanic period (approximately 1800 - 1810) 
hillsviewbooks (View posts)
Posted: 26 Dec 2009 7:16PM
Classification: Query
Johann August Weinert in South Australia was the son of Christian and Anna Weinert nee Kobe. He was born in 1814 and married Johannes Donke in 1836.
In 1841 he travelled from Hamburg with his brothers Johann Dienegott and Treugott Johann to South Australia. With a few other families they began the township of Lobethal.
They never lived in Canada, however, This I know for a fact.

The Weinerts in Melbourne and Queensland are descended from this family and some if not all of the Sydney ones. I guess there have been other families come out over the years. There is still a strong Weinert presence in Lobethal, the town that they established.

I wonder what relation if any were the Canadian family. Our Weinerts came from Brucken Hausen in Posen (Prussia)- Wolstein province. Do you know where your Weinerts came from?

Regards
Deanne in Australia
ocanada10 (View posts)
Posted: 24 Dec 2009 3:58PM
Classification: Query
I am decendent from a Johann Weinert who immigrated to the US and ended up in Ontario, Canada. I have in my possession a letter that one of his brother's wrote to him after a visit with another brother, August in Nebraska. It states that this brother is thinking about moving to Australia in about the right time frame as your inquiry. I will have to look up the brother's name, if you are interested. When I visited Australia in 2002, I was delighted to find Weinert's in phonebooks in Melbourne and Syndey, but did not have the time to try and contact anyone. Please contact me if you are still interested.
Posted: 21 Aug 2000 3:47AM
Edited: 29 Jun 2001 4:59AM
Diane: I don't believe any of my Weinerts went to Australia. I think we have two different lines here.

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ocanada10 (View posts)
Posted: 8 Mar 2011 1:15PM
Classification: Query
Hi

My name is Anne Weinert and my great grandfather was Johann Weinert who was the brother of August Weinert. Johann and his wife settled in Ontario and had contact with August and their mother (who signed letters "Mother"). I would like to hear more about what your family knows. I also have cousin named Scott Weinert who is decended from another son of Johann. He has heard that the family is from Bavaria. If you are willing send me another message and we can exchange email addresses. Thx